Dr Toni Lindsay is a Clinical and Health Psychologist who has been working with both adults and adolescents since 2007. Her recent book, Everything Anxiety Ever Told You is a Lie, is her fifth. The Certainty Myth (2022) and The Cancer Companion (2021), as well as two textbooks — ACT at the End (2024) and Cancer, Sex, Drugs and Death (2017) — are all about the use of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). Toni works at Chris O’Brien Lifehouse in the Oncology service and is a specialist in the care of Adolescents and Young Adults with cancer. She also teaches in the Department of Adolescent Medicine at the University of Melbourne and the University of Sydney Nursing School. I’m a huge admirer of both Toni’s work and her writing, so it was an absolute pleasure to invite her to The Reading Lists. When someone asks ‘What do you do for a living?’, how do you respond? It probably depends on the context! Some people can behave strangely when they meet a psychologist out in the wild, and so sometimes it might take me some time to let people know what my job is. People are genuinely interested in psychology often, so it’s nice to chat about the ways that it works. In reverse though, I am always wondering how different jobs work, so I will be peppering those questions right back when I meet a new person! What are you reading at the moment? I am actually reading a couple of books — I don’t normally — but I am enjoying Helen Garner’s new book The Season and Irwin Yalom’s book Hour of the Heart. Both are writers that are a pleasure to read, and so I am savouring them. Alongside, I have also been reading a few non-fiction books around all the tech stuff happening in the U.S. — so have just finished Kara Swisher’s Burn Book. When you think about your childhood, what book comes to mind? I loved reading as a kid — and had a suite of Golden Books — Cookie Monster and the Cookie Tree is the first one that comes to mind! The lessons have showed up in my adult life more than once! As I got older I found my way to series like the Babysitters club, and then fell deep into crime fiction at a young age (maybe too young in retrospect!) What did you want to be growing up? A vet, and later a forensic pathologist (modelled on the ’90s fiction heroines of course) — as it turns out, I don’t have the stomach for either!!! What do you think your school-aged self would think of you now? I think she would think it’s all worked out okay. School was tricky for me for a bunch of reasons and I think that confused little kiddo didn’t know how it would all go. I am glad that it has worked out the way it has! If you could wrap up a single book and gift it to yourself on your 21st birthday, what book would you choose and why? Oh gosh. These questions aren’t getting any easier! I don’t think I have an answer for this. All I can think of are the books that I return to over and over again — things like The Spare Room by Helen Garner, Salvation Creek by Susan Duncan, Wintering by Katherine May and The Thursday Murder Club by Richard Osman. These are books that have arrived in my life at the exact time that I need them, and they have brought such a warm comfort. Do you have any books that you strongly associate with important people in your life? Too many to name! One of the most generous things I think you can do is take someone’s reading suggestion, and to be open to loving it as much as they do. Which book have you recommended most to friends and family? Lately, I would say Cold Enough for Snow by Jessica Au. It’s a beautiful novella about the complex relationships in families. I found myself thinking about it for days after I finished it. Do you prefer fiction or non-fiction? Ebooks, audiobooks or physical books? I like both non fiction and fiction, but my fiction reading outpaces the non fiction by miles. I love a physical book, although I have a kindle to make life easier. I am a heavy user of my local library. What’s the best book you’ve read in the last six months? What You are Looking For is in the Library by Michiko Aoyama. I love Japanese fiction, and this spoke so clearly and beautifully in the way that a gentle and articulate author can do. Name a book that you feel everyone should read. Listen by Kathryn Mannix — she is a palliative care physician, but Listen talks so elegantly about the ways that we communicate, and why relationships and hearing what people are really saying are the most important things that we have, particularly at tricky times. Which book do you feel has had the biggest impact on your life? The Great Gatsby — I first read this for high school and have read it many many times since, and every time I find a new perspective, or a piece that I hadn’t thought about before. Are there any books you haven’t already mentioned that you’d want to include on your ‘Top 10’ reading list? What I haven’t talked about much, but is such a love of mine, is the genre of crime fiction. As I have gotten older I have found myself less attracted to the gruesome details that were appealing as a young person, but more into the complexity of our humanness. I will still buy every Patricia Cornwell novel when they come out (even if I do not feel attached in the way I did when I was younger), but particularly love the crime coming from Australian authors now. Please tell us briefly about your latest book. Everything Anxiety Ever Told You Is a Lie: *Well, almost everything! is aimed at young people who are experiencing anxiety in their everyday lives, across the breadth of the anxiety spectrum. It comes from the perspective that anxiety is a very normal part of life, and not some thing that needs to be pathologized! Hopefully, people will learn skills and ideas that they can take with them through their lives. If you enjoyed this interview with Toni Lindsay, please visit her at her website or on LinkedIn.